When P. Long said above that he was an ultra conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view, it made me think of this situation more in terms of the present times. I find it interesting to look at this perspective that you pointed out, PLong: He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view. Everyone seems to give Saul a bad rap (and rightly so) for his actions towards believers before his conversion, however, this at least gives us a context to understand him better. Gamaliel is reflecting the Hillel tradition of non-violence and allowing God to deal with parties that against the Jews (Polhill, Paul and His Letters, 31). ), was the portable earthly dwelling place of Yahweh (the God of Israel) used by the Israelites from the. We cannot work on assumption that Paul was different to what the book of Acts says. Who was the famous Jewish teacher under whom St. Paul studied? As a side note, Wright has an excellent article on that on http://www.ntwrightpage.com here: http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Paul_Arabia_Elijah.pdf. 15: 8-11 etc. God made us and loves us and He does reveal His will in language we can gladly receive, comprehend and obey. He was a ruthless persecutor who sought to stop what he saw as an aberration within Judaism. Hello A. Gazali, It seems you have a hunger for the truth. If anything Paul reacted on his duty to do what he thought was right and purify what was most important to him, the law. Dmando0110. I think the point was not that Jesus was the Messiah, but rather that Peter and John are stating that the High Priest killed the Messiah and God vindicated him by raising him from the dead. imitate me.. He uses this in Philippians 3:12-14 to describe the Christian walk. (Definition from the American Heritage Dictionary.) The Middle East is very unstable. Minhags- customs attached to moses and the oral law to make them valid that were infact against Torah and corrupt. I feel that (not competent to know) clusters of questions like these make me second-guess just how far N.T. People trained by Paul to carry on the work after he left. Dang, I wrote that and didnt respond to your last point. There is more to Sauls violence than preaching Jesus as Messiah. .1) Gospel of Mark time lag between being appointed and being sent Jesus went up on a mountainside and called to him those he wanted, and they came to him. and to make a point in this conversation,where did you get the idea that Saul (Paul) was Jewish.? The term To sit at the feet of a Rav is a term in Judaism for a man (13-20) to know the first five books and the Oral law by memory. The revelation of the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ (Gal 1:12), most probably in Arabia. He was most highly trained as a Pharisee, so maybe and OT PhD at the best university today? ), In essence, it is also the same principle as what Eve did in the Garden of Eden, forgetting about the Tree of Life, which is the first tree in the middle of the Garden, and instead referring to the second tree as the tree that is in the middle of the garden. [Genesis 3:3 & 2:9 2:17, 3:24], Kind of like the Pharisees with Jesus, who were pushing the false idea that we can consider ONE commandment in the Law, alone in isolation, to be the greatest commandment in the Law., Or like today, false teachers in the Chrislam Purpose Driven Seeker Sensitive Emergent Liberal Ecumenical New Age world church movement pushing the false idea that the ONE RULE is Loving God and Neighbor together.. Take a piece of scripture and make nutty doctrines/traditions out of them. [23] The Orthodox church also venerates Gamaliel as a saint, where he is commemorated on August 2, the date when tradition states that his relics were found, along with those of the Apostle and Protomartyr Stephen and Nicodemus. whats d equivalence of studying at d feet of Gamaliel to todays education. I justify everything I do If I testify about myself it MUST be true Im the only man in all history whose testimony doesnt need two or three. But Jesus said, do not take the best seats (Luke 14:7-11), and to be like a child (Luke 18:15-17). This was like most of Pauls ministry, always doing what God told him and doing what was against the grain. As Bible-believing Evangelicals, after 2 months of silence, we could ask ourselves. and I get upset as we read the bible and let someone with their interpretation do interpret for us ,no one can haggle the word of God. (Two other saint also removed at that timer were St. Philomena and St. Christopher. (Rom. He has Masters degrees in Biblical Exposition and Old Testament from Talbot School of Theology (BIOLA) and a PhD in New Testament from Andrews University. That is not what Paul said, he stated once ingrafted in they were formerly once known as gentiles. According to Josephus (Life 38.190-191), Gamaliel belonged to "a highly respected family"; there is no good reason to reject the early Jewish tradition that he was the grandson (or perhaps . It isnt a question of mens opinions about what Paul really meant or what Paul must have known or what Paul was actually referring to here or what Paul was clearly implying or what we must conclude that Paul was assuming, etc. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. Social Science. Gamaliel is mentioned a couple of times in Scripture as a famous and well-respected teacher. They all teach we should be like Paul and we should listen to Paul without examining Pauls life and Pauls teachings in the light of the teachings of Jesus in Scripture. He ignored your instructions that I passed on to him. It is the drastic nature of the difference in his life after he surrenders to Jesus that testifies to the Power and Truth of who Christ is, as well as to the wonder of the great mystery that is later revealed to Paul! Paul has a track record in Scripture of boasting, exaggerating, and stretching the truth to promote himself and make himself appear more important than he really was. I think Jesus was God incarnate, but the preaching in Acts 2-3 that brings the increasingly violent reaction is that the Jews killed their true messiah and God raised him from the dead, *and* that he is coming back to judge the nation (starting with Caiaphas?). I have been looking and wanted to know about the Gamaliel , because in Nepal we have competition for the ranking and Im bit aware of this and I have burden for our people in Nepal not go this way and I want to teach as a teacher to be out from this kinds of Gamaliel position, who just want to be in the meeting not taking burden of their neighbor who need Jesus than taking a position in the Gamaliel meetings. unless some else takes credit for writing these words. I can use football analogies even if I have never actually been a football player. Peter doesnt point to himself, or his own words, or all Scripture or The Bible, Peter doesnt claim his own words are the word of God, and he doesnt claim that he doesnt need a second witness. Heres part two of this poem this spot seems the most appropriate place, I am he who searches hearts and minds says the Risen Jesus Christ Repent and do what you did at first Dont be lazy since He paid the price, Yes, Jesus sees our sins today Dont think that He is blind But the words of paul the Pharisee Will put you in a bind, Jesus washed away your sins Dont listen to paul the accuser paul abandoned the Church in Corinth And then paul became an abuser, When you put your trust in Jesus Yes, your stains were white as snow You didnt need to wear a Scarlet Letter Everywhere you go, I will repay each of you According to your deeds This is Jesus speaking to The Church Not a business selling felt needs, For those who claim to be apostles Jesus said they must be tested Priscilla, Aquila, and Apollos Persevered and were not bested, They exposed the false teachings Of paul the Pharisee So the Church in Ephesus rejected paul And had a chance to be free, Bibliography All quotes are the words of Jesus, in Revelation Chapter 2, Do we know what language was spoken in Gamaliels school or likely to have been spoken Hebrew or Aramaic? As has been said multiple times above, it is fairly common for a pupil to break off from his teachers opinion. As sort of my own counter point against my first paragraph, It is not surprising then that Paul acts out the way he does. Dear Wilson, Yes there are ! Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. But I am a Reformed Anglican. When Christ was first preached multitudes gladly received the word. Long has taught full time at Grace Christian University since 1998, specializing in Bible and Biblical languages. I would like to check that reference if possible. Or is it possible that Paul privately harbored more overall agreement with Gamaliel/Hillel than with Shammaite Pharisees, and that Paul felt himself to be a lone dissenter in rare cases (Christians) against his former masters legal hermeneutics of mercy? I wrote a short note on Pauls relationship with Gamaliel two years ago and it has been one of the more popular posts on Reading Acts. and as long as the food was not sacrificed to idols and was kosher you could eat with gentiles. No it is true and I do know what im talking about since ive been a Yeshiva student for years and learning under well versed Orthodox and Messianic Rabbis. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. Youre putting your western views on a Hebraic book that is of near eastern culture. (11). And most Evangelical pastors who read the Bible spend most of their time listening to the voice of Paul, so they become like Paul. But I digress, James, we had a good run. Once you have taken the covenant you are native born. It is interesting in seeing the difference in view points of Saul and Gamaliel. Study sets, textbooks, questions. There is absolutely no Christianity in the book of Acts. Polhill observes that several rulings of Gamaliel appear in the Mishnah, mostly having to do with marriage and divorce. Pohill points out that Gamaliel seemed to be very resigned about this new Jesus movement, saying that if Christianity was not of Gods will, they would end in disaster just like the false messianic movements in Israels past did (pg 31). Love. https://wonderfulgraceofjesus.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/the-commandments-of-jesus/#comment-120. ), STEP 2) Paul said; Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners- of whom I am the worst. [1 Timothy 1:15] (Response- Sin is alwasy specific. There are Rabbinic schools today, of course, who would study the sorts of things Paul would have, so perhaps a yeshiva is a good parallel to Pauls education. 1973 Inside the mind of a Jesus Person. For example, Gi. As a result, Paul calls Peter a hypocrite for following Maase HaTorah or in English Works of the Law instead of what following what the Torah actually stated. So it is possible they left out the respected Pharisee Gamaliel so that he would not oppose crucifixion. Needless to say, many still revere Philomena and Christopher as saints. He studied under Gamaliel. The Apostle John recorded about the New Jerusalem, The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. [Revelation 21:14], The Apostles are 12 faithful eyewitnesses who walked with Jesus during His entire earthly ministry, and Matthias is the 12th. Pauls relationship with Gamaliel two years ago, Paul and Gamaliel | ChristianBookBarn.com, The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World. Maybe Gamaliel was strict with Saul,so Saul was being rebellious. This is your only warning before being banned for incivility. Clearly youve never taken hebrew or greek in your life. Darris McNeely - Dec 7, 2022 | In this class we will discuss Acts 5:26-41 thru Acts 6:1-7 and notice the following events: the apostles being persecuted by the Sanhedrin for teaching in Christ's name; how a Pharisee named Gamaliel spoke up on behalf of the apostles; and the choosing of seven men to help the disciples distribute food. Where is your yeshiva in Houston? I know! Many self-professed Bible-believing Evangelicals wont listen to the words of Jesus, because they are brainwashed through reciting their mantra all scripture is God-breathed.. Then, in Acts 22:3, Paul says that he was "brought up in this . Yet Mohammed (saw) reiterated the message as Gods Messenger and like the Pharisees rejected him because their forefathers corrupted the original message. This applies to the Pharisee sect. He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view (Jesus was the Messiah and the High Priest killed him!). See also John 17:17; Eph 5:17; Acts 2:41. The Clementine Literature suggested that he maintained secrecy about the conversion and continued to be a member of the Sanhedrin for the purpose of covertly assisting his fellow Christians. Jesus never said anything like that, and Jesus did not see it that way. There is a fine line to be drawn, sure God uses who we are to accomplish his will, but Paul was changed at his conversion. Forgive me, but it easier to cite the following from the Wikipedia. (Also to other eyewitness testimony, recorded by Mark and Luke.) Evidence for this more accommodating opinion is found in the book of Acts, although some (like Chilton) are not completely convinced Acts portrays Gamaliel accurately. Per Euseibus the first 13 bishops the Jerusalem church were Pharisee. Supposition and/or conjecture certainly can allow for a yes that he was probably there because a Pharisee would most likely have gone to Jerusalem for the Pasch, Passover. . !hum !! His dissertation was published as Jesus the Bridegroom by Pickwick Books in 2012. Blessings following the Jesus of the Gospels. Upgrade to remove ads. When Paul began the training that ultimately led him down the road of encounter with the risen Christ on the way to Damascus, we actually have no details. But he certainly reinforces your prejudice and misunderstanding of the New Testament. Jesus did not see even the Hebrew Scriptures, what we call the Old Testament, as a whole unit or book that was all equal or all truly Gods words. Jesus spoke of The Law, or The Law and the Prophets, holding these 2 sections of the Old Testament above the third, least important sections the Writings. And Jesus held the Psalms, the first book of the Writings section, above the other books in the Writings section in importance, since some parts of some Psalms are prophetic. Whom I might add are much more well versed that you in that subject. There is no conservative or liberal spectrum regarding Judaism or the 32 sects of Judaism during the time of Yeshua. His training at the feet of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3) according to the strict manner of the law of the Jews. get up set if you want ,,but Paul was that , dont believe it ? The soul of Saint Gamaliel appeared to the presbyter Lucian in AD 415 and told him where to find the relics of Stephen and those of his own body. (Eastern Orthodox). No need to answer. I know from the Scriptures that Paul Worship is wrong, but the entire Church Establishment says its right. The command given by our Lord and Savior Is not a Pharisee speaking alone It came rather through your apostles Matthew Peter and John, If a Pharisee boasts proudly Those men added nothing to my message He doesnt speak for Jesus His words are nothing more than garbage, Bibliography All quotes in quotation marks are from the writings of the Apostles Matthew John and Peter in the Bible, mostly the Red Letter words of Jesus. And Paul only said it here, one time, in the middle of a personal letter. Here is how Jesus answered that question: #1 One of the teachers of the law asked him [Jesus], Of all the commandments, which is the most important?, The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: Hear, of Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Who am I to challenge hundreds years of false man-made tradition, like Jesus, Martin Luther, Columbus, Copernicus and Galileo? . Things which are unclear, those must remain that way until the Holy Spirit reveal them to each and everyone of us according to the level of grace , and most importantly, for a particular purpose, We born again believers do not read to know like them, but we read to live. How long will you waver between two opinions? When did Paul study under Gamaliel? In practical terms, regarding texts of the Bible, that means that the most important words are the words of Jesus recorded by The Apostles Matthew and John (closely followed by Mark) in my view. Indeed in this case Christian tradition cannot really be trusted, in my opinion. Paul might indeed have been a follower of the School of Shammai, but his mentioning Gamaliels name might have been intended to his (Pauls) having studies in Jerusalem when Gamaliel was head of the Sanhedrin. ), STEP 5) Paul said; I do not understand what I do. The Fast is known as Yom Kippur. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. You said that your QUOTE Quran is incorruptible. Thats like many Christians saying the Bible is inerrant. Muhammad is to Muslims as Paul is to most Christians as Mary is to most Catholics an idol that they worship, practically speaking. God bless you all. For Rabbi Saul, the idea that the messiah could be killed is wrong but is it enough to account for a violent reaction like Acts 7 and the stoning of Stephen? Perhaps you can contribute some insight? brought up . Even though Gamaliel was the one who stated in Acts 5:34-39 that if this Jesus movement were from God there would be no way to stop it, they should just let it run its course, Paul was still influenced heavily by the persecution mindset that the rest of the Sanhedrin had. The commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not covet, and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this ONE RULE: Love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to its neighbor. (Paul said so is one witness, but you need to establish every matter by the testimony of two or three witnesses. You will seek Him and find Him when you seek Him with all your heart.. To my Bible-believing Evangelical friends: If you have been reading some of my posts and you feel a spirit rising up inside you telling you: Hes wrong !!! However the church now says the law has been done away with and they have replace Israel. Ron Mosely and the archaeology team has gone through great lengths to disprove your theory by presenting actual archaeological evidence.. So 7:12 cannot stand alone as One Commandment. Another aspect of Hillel. Yes, Christians are the new Pharisees and because of Paul will never figure it out. Paul was actually heeding the words of his teacher Gamaliel, who had said to guard against being "found fighters actually against God" by rejecting his pharisaical life and becoming a disciple of Jesus Christ. There are things which are not revealed and there are things which are revealed to us. Created by. As a Roman citizen, Paul possessed a coveted status Listen to Gamaliel. This is a good point, although I am not sure that the tradition is totally reliable. Why believe a self-described co-redeemer holy spirit comforter who claimed; I became your father, therefore I urge you to imitate me? Have heard some scholars saying that If Paul was living in the 21 century he would have had 5 phd, how true is that. WE are not even in this game! (Paul insisted that all the workers show respect for him by addressing him as Boss Paul.) Paul called the team of painters together and told them: Boys, we need to paint this garage and house. Not the Jesus of the Koran, written by Muhammad the self-appointed prophet, and not the Jesus of Paul the Pharisee, the self-appointed apostle. His seeds are seeds of oppression and bondage. It would be like me claiming that I was educated in worship by Marco Barrientos at Christ for the Nations in Dallas Texas he is the worship leader famous in Spanish Language Charismatic Christian circles for his song based on Isaiah 11:9 Ser Llena la Tierra https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zGS_V5mEOG4, Is it true? Paul was so entrenched in corrupted rabbinics (MAASE HATORAH ) that it clouded the vision of Messiah until Damscucs road. ). For example, But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified (1 Corinthians 9:27 ESV). In athletics and my walk with Christ, I must remain disciplined in all that I do. Acts 22:3 - "I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of Its encouraging that God can use imperfect messengers like them, because it proves He can also use an imperfect man like me to advance His kingdom, when I humble myself, repent, and obey His commands. It seems that Pauls upbringing and learning under Gamaliel would have to play some role in the way that he thought, taught, and formed his theology. About The Author Tovia Singer - Rabbi Tovia Singer is well known as the Founder and Director of Outreach Judaism, an international organization dedicated to countering the efforts of fundamentalist Christian groups and cults who specifically target Jews for conversion. (The Hat is, what were Pauls sins?) Here are the basic steps- (there may be one or two other basic steps, but they are very similar to these. If the mere thought of questioning Pauline Doctrine or Pauls truthfulness ruffles your feathers, its a sign that Pauls rotten spiritual fruit has taken root in your life. The Orthodox Muslim view of the Koran as self-evidently the Word of God, perfect and inimitable in message, language, style, and form, is strikingly similar to the fundamentalist Christian notion of the Bibles inerrancy and verbal inspiration that is still common in many places today. Paul was in Jerusalem from the age of 3 (under Gamaliel), so to assume he already knew how to WRITE Greek would be fallacious.. What does Josephus say about Gamaliel? Your comments are ridiculous and borderline stupidity. Perhaps on the basis of a preserved tradition that he oversaw the body of St. Stephen. Are the lines differentiating Gamaliel/Hillel from Shammaite Pharisees sufficiently filled out by robust bodies of exhaustive casuistry? Phillip, thank you. 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